Design Systems Podcast Chris Strahl designsystemspodcast.com Design Systems Podcast interviews industry leaders and product makers to share best practices and explore the areas where design and development come together. 174 episodes Building in the Age of Agents with Alex Wilson, Engineering Leader at T. Rowe Price.Patterns Podcast May 13 • 53m Building Trust: Designing Product Ecosystems in the Age of AIPatterns Podcast Mar 10 • 33m Inside the Alaska–Hawaiian Merger: Shipping a Multi-Brand Experience in 10 MonthsPatterns Podcast Feb 10 • 41m Designing the Learning Loop: Context, AI, and Compound SystemsPatterns Podcast Jan 27 • 48m 139. Why the Future of Digital Production Starts With Code, Not a CanvasDesign Systems Podcast Dec 17, 2025 • 34m DSP 139. Why the Future of Digital Production Starts With Code, Not a CanvasPatterns Podcast Dec 17, 2025 • 34m 138. Scaling Inclusive Design: An Accessibility Conversation with Anna ThielkeDesign Systems Podcast Dec 4, 2025 • 24m DSP 138. Scaling Inclusive Design: An Accessibility Conversation with Anna ThielkePatterns Podcast Dec 4, 2025 • 24m 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle LansfordDesign Systems Podcast Nov 11, 2025 • 44m DSP 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle LansfordPatterns Podcast Nov 11, 2025 • 44m 136. Are Design Systems Still for People? A Conversation with Elyse HolladayDesign Systems Podcast Jul 22, 2025 • 45m DSP 136. Are Design Systems Still for People? A Conversation with Elyse HolladayPatterns Podcast Jul 22, 2025 • 45m 135. The Infrastructure Behind Digital Production: A Conversation with Steve Dodier-LazaroDesign Systems Podcast Jul 8, 2025 • 36m DSP 135. The Infrastructure Behind Digital Production: A Conversation with Steve Dodier-LazaroPatterns Podcast Jul 8, 2025 • 36m 134 Modernizing a Legend: Catherine Dubut Builds the Future at Ford ProDesign Systems Podcast Jun 13, 2025 • 30m DSP 134 Modernizing a Legend: Catherine Dubut Builds the Future at Ford ProPatterns Podcast Jun 13, 2025 • 30m 133. Garth Braithwaite on Design Tokens, Governance, and Scaling Spectrum at AdobeDesign Systems Podcast May 27, 2025 • 59m DSP 133. Garth Braithwaite on Design Tokens, Governance, and Scaling Spectrum at AdobePatterns Podcast May 27, 2025 • 59m 132. The Evolution of Digital Production: TJ Pitre Talks Flash, Figma, and the Future of Dynamic DesignDesign Systems Podcast Apr 29, 2025 • 29m DSP 132. The Evolution of Digital Production: TJ Pitre Talks Flash, Figma, and the Future of Dynamic DesignPatterns Podcast Apr 29, 2025 • 29m 131. DSP Rewind | Rick Rodriguez on Building an Adaptable and Scalable Design systemDesign Systems Podcast Apr 15, 2025 • 31m DSP 131. DSP Rewind | Rick Rodriguez on Building an Adaptable and Scalable Design systemPatterns Podcast Apr 15, 2025 • 31m 130. Jon Warden on How GSK Uses Design Systems to Balance Scale, Flexibility, and InnovationDesign Systems Podcast Apr 2, 2025 • 41m DSP 130. Jon Warden on How GSK Uses Design Systems to Balance Scale, Flexibility, and InnovationPatterns Podcast Apr 2, 2025 • 41m 129. DSP Mashup | The Future of AI and Digital ProductionDesign Systems Podcast Mar 18, 2025 • 48m DSP 129. Mashup | The Future of AI and Digital ProductionPatterns Podcast Mar 18, 2025 • 48m 128. DSP Rewind | Emily Campbell: Design and code convergenceDesign Systems Podcast Mar 11, 2025 • 42m DSP 128. Rewind | Emily Campbell: Design and code convergencePatterns Podcast Mar 11, 2025 • 42m 127. Building a Unified Design System for Instacart’s Multi-Product Ecosystem: Lessons for Success from Miranda BouckDesign Systems Podcast Feb 4, 2025 • 31m DSP 127. Building a Unified Design System for Instacart’s Multi-Product Ecosystem: Lessons for Success from Miranda BouckPatterns Podcast Feb 4, 2025 • 31m 126. Scaling Avalara's Design System to Support a Growth-By-Acquisition StrategyDesign Systems Podcast Jan 21, 2025 • 26m DSP 126. Scaling Avalara's Design System to Support a Growth-By-Acquisition StrategyPatterns Podcast Jan 21, 2025 • 26m 125. Inside H-E-B’s Digital Transformation: Adriana Morales on Design Systems That Empower TeamsDesign Systems Podcast Jan 7, 2025 • 37m DSP 125. Inside H-E-B’s Digital Transformation: Adriana Morales on Design Systems That Empower TeamsPatterns Podcast Jan 7, 2025 • 37m 124. From Ideas to Impact: Chris Strahl and Evan Lovely on Five Years of Design Systems InnovationDesign Systems Podcast Dec 10, 2024 • 34m DSP 124. From Ideas to Impact: Chris Strahl and Evan Lovely on Five Years of Design Systems InnovationPatterns Podcast Dec 10, 2024 • 34m 123. Adoption, Efficiency, and Value: insights from KickstartDS’s Jonas Ulrich and Daniel LeyDesign Systems Podcast Nov 26, 2024 • 27m DSP 123. Adoption, Efficiency, and Value: insights from KickstartDS’s Jonas Ulrich and Daniel LeyPatterns Podcast Nov 26, 2024 • 27m 122. Creating Cohesion from Chaos: The Role of Language and System Design with Ben CallahanDesign Systems Podcast Nov 12, 2024 • 44m DSP 122. Creating Cohesion from Chaos: The Role of Language and System Design with Ben CallahanPatterns Podcast Nov 12, 2024 • 44m 121. The Intersection of Urban Planning and Design Systems: Insights from Andii HeiDesign Systems Podcast Oct 29, 2024 • 32m DSP 121. The Intersection of Urban Planning and Design Systems: Insights from Andii HeiPatterns Podcast Oct 29, 2024 • 32m 120. From Designer to Design System Leader: Insights from Allison Shaw's Career JourneyDesign Systems Podcast Oct 15, 2024 • 33m DSP 120. From Designer to Design System Leader: Insights from Allison Shaw's Career JourneyPatterns Podcast Oct 15, 2024 • 33m 119. Rethinking Design Consistency: Debating Tokens vs. Components with ADPs Alice PreislerDesign Systems Podcast Oct 1, 2024 • 32m DSP 119. Rethinking Design Consistency: Debating Tokens vs. Components with ADPs Alice PreislerPatterns Podcast Oct 1, 2024 • 32m 118. Reusability, Collaboration, and Empathy: Catalina Manea on Bridging Design and Development to Build Applications with Design Systems“Design Systems Podcast Sep 17, 2024 • 25m DSP 118. Reusability, Collaboration, and Empathy: Catalina Manea on Bridging Design and Development to Build Applications with Design Systems“Patterns Podcast Sep 17, 2024 • 25m 117. Why Kate Moran Thinks Humans Are Essential to the Future of Generative UI and AI.Design Systems Podcast Sep 3, 2024 • 42m DSP 117. Why Kate Moran Thinks Humans Are Essential to the Future of Generative UI and AI.Patterns Podcast Sep 3, 2024 • 42m 116. Designed for success: How Guy Segal Built a Design System that Product Teams Want to Use.Design Systems Podcast Aug 20, 2024 • 30m DSP 116. Designed for success: How Guy Segal Built a Design System that Product Teams Want to Use.Patterns Podcast Aug 20, 2024 • 30m 115. Design System Sources of Truth: Transparency and Collaboration with Dropbox’s Mark ShusterDesign Systems Podcast Aug 6, 2024 • 29m DSP 115. Design System Sources of Truth: Transparency and Collaboration with Dropbox’s Mark ShusterPatterns Podcast Aug 6, 2024 • 29m 114. Design Systems and Ways of Working: Nick Hahn on Collaboration, Adoption, and AIDesign Systems Podcast Jul 9, 2024 • 35m DSP 114. Design Systems and Ways of Working: Nick Hahn on Collaboration, Adoption, and AIPatterns Podcast Jul 9, 2024 • 35m 113. Config 2024: Highlights and Hot Takes with Jina Anne and Adekunle OduyeDesign Systems Podcast Jun 28, 2024 • 21m DSP 113. Config 2024: Highlights and Hot Takes with Jina Anne and Adekunle OduyePatterns Podcast Jun 28, 2024 • 21m 112. Creating Effective Design Systems for Small and Mid-Size Companies: Apiture’s JourneyDesign Systems Podcast Jun 27, 2024 • 28m DSP 112. Creating Effective Design Systems for Small and Mid-Size Companies: Apiture’s JourneyPatterns Podcast Jun 27, 2024 • 28m 111. How AI is Revolutionizing Design Systems and Customer Experiences with Dave CallejaDesign Systems Podcast Jun 12, 2024 • 41m DSP 111. How AI is Revolutionizing Design Systems and Customer Experiences with Dave CallejaPatterns Podcast Jun 12, 2024 • 41m 110. The Evolution of ServiceNow's Design System with Meredith Van LierDesign Systems Podcast May 28, 2024 • 32m DSP 110. The Evolution of ServiceNow's Design System with Meredith Van LierPatterns Podcast May 28, 2024 • 32m 109. Making Design Systems Inclusive with Accessibility Specialist Daniel Henderson-EdeDesign Systems Podcast May 14, 2024 • 26m 108. U.S. Bank’s Beau Ulrey on Building Trust Through Design SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Apr 30, 2024 • 31m 107. The Evolution of IBM's Carbon Design System with Scott StrubbergDesign Systems Podcast Apr 16, 2024 • 34m 106. Brad Frost on Adaptable Design SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Apr 2, 2024 • 47m 105. Ranjeet Tayi from Informatica: AI-Driven DesignDesign Systems Podcast Mar 19, 2024 • 39m 104. Shawn Cheris from Adobe: Spectrum 2 Design System and AI’s Role in the Future of DesignDesign Systems Podcast Mar 12, 2024 • 46m 103. Nate Baldwin from Intuit: Multi-Brand Theming in Complex OrganizationsDesign Systems Podcast Mar 7, 2024 • 34m 102. David Müller: Intentional Breakpoints and AI InsightsDesign Systems Podcast Feb 29, 2024 • 29m 101. PJ Onori of Pinterest/Disney: Design Systems Shifting the Productivity ParadigmDesign Systems Podcast Feb 20, 2024 • 38m 100. Brian Dorsey on Design and Engineering Synergy at MastercardDesign Systems Podcast Feb 13, 2024 • 29m 99. Jackie Lai, Lead UX Designer at OPIS Dow Jones, on Creating Future-Proof SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Feb 7, 2024 • 29m 98. Exploring Alexandrian Patterns in Design Systems with Kevin Muldoon at Dow JonesDesign Systems Podcast Jan 30, 2024 • 28m 97. Curt Schreiber, CCO at VSA, on Building Global Design Systems for ScaleDesign Systems Podcast Jan 23, 2024 • 36m 96. Jina Anne and Adekunle Oduye: Navigating Career Pathways in Design SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Jan 16, 2024 • 44m 95. Matt Weinberg, Sr. Product Designer at Angi: Empathy-First Approach to Evolving Design SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Jan 2, 2024 • 25m 94. Josh Clark, Founder of Big Medium: Scaling Digital Strategy Within Complex OrganizationsDesign Systems Podcast Dec 19, 2023 • 41m 93. Nathan Curtis, Co-founder of EightShapes: Balancing reuse and customization in UI DesignDesign Systems Podcast Dec 13, 2023 • 38m 92. Lisa Apers Independent Designer and Researcher: Tailoring UIs with brainwaves for personalized user experiencesDesign Systems Podcast Nov 30, 2023 • 27m 91. Designing diversity: Crafting tiered systems for a global market with Tim Banker at Slalom ConsultingDesign Systems Podcast Nov 16, 2023 • 31m 90. The innovation triad: Needs, coverage and adoption with Alex Wilson and Jon Reidy at T. Rowe PriceDesign Systems Podcast Nov 9, 2023 • 33m 89. Metrics matter: Harnessing usage data for adoption, coverage, efficiency, and quality with Maya Hampton at REIDesign Systems Podcast Nov 1, 2023 • 29m 88. Beyond isolation: Harmonizing products in a design ecosystem with JJ Rogers at WatermarkDesign Systems Podcast Oct 26, 2023 • 27m 87. Designing success: Crafting principles for passkey adoption with Kevin Goldman and Sierre Wolfkostin at FIDO AllianceDesign Systems Podcast Oct 18, 2023 • 34m 86. From consistency to contribution: How design systems grow trees with Jay Smith at REIDesign Systems Podcast Oct 4, 2023 • 34m 85. Driving speed and consistency: The power of design systems in startups with Jamie Totten at KlueDesign Systems Podcast Sep 27, 2023 • 29m 84. Digital typography: Suggesting, not dictating with Juli Sombat at Spotify and Jason Pamental at ChewyDesign Systems Podcast Sep 21, 2023 • 39m 83. Breaking silos and enhancing teamwork in design systems with Tony Pantello and Chris Henke at AccutechDesign Systems Podcast Sep 13, 2023 • 34m 82. Design system revamp: Unpacking Monster's UX odyssey with Billea BreenDesign Systems Podcast Sep 6, 2023 • 31m 81. Embracing change with Mark Reynolds, Design System Consultant: How design and engineering roles are evolving in design systemsDesign Systems Podcast Aug 30, 2023 • 37m 80. Bridging Code & Creativity with Kevin Broich at CiscoDesign Systems Podcast Aug 22, 2023 • 38m 79. Inside Pinterest's Gestalt System with Product Designers, Kate Halvorsen and Cintia Romero: A community-centric approachDesign Systems Podcast Aug 15, 2023 • 42m 78. Bridging the design-code gap at Meta, a multidisciplinary approach with Sriram RamasubramanianDesign Systems Podcast Aug 8, 2023 • 28m 77. Robin Cannon, Executive Director and Head of Design System at J.P. Morgan: Creating an environment that encourages and builds trust with design systemsDesign Systems Podcast Jul 31, 2023 • 44m 76. Christophe Coutzoukis Design System Lead: Building Thriving Design System CommunitiesDesign Systems Podcast Jul 24, 2023 • 35m 75. Adam Sedwick Senior Product Manager: Harnessing the power of design systems to unify your teamDesign Systems Podcast Jul 12, 2023 • 36m 74. Richard Banfield, Advisor & Recovering CEO: What does iterative work look like in design systems?Design Systems Podcast Jun 22, 2023 • 41m 73. Sheryl Cababa Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial: Using system thinking to make informed decisionsDesign Systems Podcast Jun 15, 2023 • 35m 72. Danielle MacDonald Creative Head, Digital Product Design: Designing to scaleDesign Systems Podcast May 31, 2023 • 36m 71. Chris Deluca Senior Front-End Developer: People are the heart of design systemsDesign Systems Podcast May 23, 2023 • 38m 70. Pinata's Kendall Totten interviews Knapsack CEO Chris Strahl: Design with code and AIDesign Systems Podcast May 16, 2023 • 58m 69. The single source of truth mentality: Meta Part TwoDesign Systems Podcast May 9, 2023 • 20m 68. Driving Consistency Across Systems with Meta Part OneDesign Systems Podcast May 2, 2023 • 17m 67. Design Token Takes Part Two: Kaelig Deloumeau-Prigent and Darren SimonsDesign Systems Podcast Apr 23, 2023 • 31m 66. Design Token Takes Part One: Amber Stickel and Taylor CashdanDesign Systems Podcast Apr 17, 2023 • 38m 65. Morgane Peng Managing Director & Head of Design at Societe Generale Corporate & Investment Banking: Is a design system a business asset or a technical asset?Design Systems Podcast Mar 13, 2023 • 34m 64. Evan Lovely CTO & Co-Founder of Knapsack: Source of truth should be the user experienceDesign Systems Podcast Mar 6, 2023 • 38m 63. Jennie Yip Principal Design Architect from Atlassian Design System: Building design systems, following the path of least resistanceDesign Systems Podcast Feb 28, 2023 • 30m 62. Avery Oldt Head of Design and Research from Amazon: Scaling ideas to systemsDesign Systems Podcast Feb 19, 2023 • 40m 61. Jack McCloy Engineering Manager from Amplitude: The Purpose of Design SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Feb 15, 2023 • 33m 60. Adekunle Oduye from Plaid: Systems and solving problems for its usersDesign Systems Podcast Feb 7, 2023 • 33m 59. Jennifer D’Amato, Senior UI/UX Designer and Donnie D’Amato, Senior Engineer: Design systems reflect those who use, maintain and are a part of itDesign Systems Podcast Jan 30, 2023 • 25m 58. Michael Jeter, Creative Director from Zapier: Systems have always been a part of solving design problemsDesign Systems Podcast Jan 18, 2023 • 42m 57. Francesco Cutolo from Klarna: Start from scratch, or build on existing design systems, which is more viable?Design Systems Podcast Jan 9, 2023 • 30m 56. Smith Schwartz, Product Design Manager & Tyce Clee, Engineering Manager at Spotify discuss their design system, EncoreDesign Systems Podcast Dec 20, 2022 • 41m 55. Todd Wilkens from Remote: The experience is the productDesign Systems Podcast Dec 7, 2022 • 41m 54. Nick Hahn founder of Creative Liberation: Design systems are going to reduce the need for early career designers by 75%Design Systems Podcast Nov 22, 2022 • 32m 53. Dana Lawson from Netlify: Bridging the gap between engineers and designersDesign Systems Podcast Nov 15, 2022 • 34m 52. Kathryn Gonzalez from DoorDash: Localize your design systemDesign Systems Podcast Oct 27, 2022 • 23m 51. Evan Lovely, Chris Bloom, Jake Love, and Brittany Smart from Knapsack: Hot Takes on the State of Design SystemsDesign Systems Podcast Sep 21, 2022 • 33m 50. Stephen Gates: What makes a good design leader?Design Systems Podcast Sep 6, 2022 • 37m 49. Vojtech Miksu from Uber: Next-gen tooling for developersDesign Systems Podcast Aug 1, 2022 • 36m 48. Meghan Rosatelli and Saejin Choi from Capital One: Navigating design system convergence, adoption, and contribution simultaneouslyDesign Systems Podcast Jun 6, 2022 • 41m 47. Nick Dorman and Ellis Capon from News UK: Bridging old and new media with News UK’s design system, NewsKitDesign Systems Podcast May 16, 2022 • 35m 46. Davy Fung from Disney+/Hulu: Spicy takes on design system nuancesDesign Systems Podcast May 2, 2022 • 31m 45. Una Kravets from Google Chrome and Chris Bloom from Knapsack: The internet’s dirty secretDesign Systems Podcast Apr 18, 2022 • 49m 44. Corey Greeneltch from Compass: Why design systems should be part of your company’s DNADesign Systems Podcast Apr 4, 2022 • 33m Special announcement: Patterns, the design systems conference for leadersDesign Systems Podcast Mar 31, 2022 • 10m 43. Matt May and Veda Rosier from Adobe: Building an accessible, inclusive design systemDesign Systems Podcast Mar 21, 2022 • 41m 42. Neva Corbo-Hudak and Rogin Farrer from Wayfair: The long evolution of a web design systemDesign Systems Podcast Mar 14, 2022 • 47m 41. Mike Bowser from Vista: The past, present, and future of design systemsDesign Systems Podcast Feb 8, 2022 • 27m 40. Zach Hendershot and Aaron Stone from Crux Digital: How agencies solve difficult technical problems for Fortune 1000 clientsDesign Systems Podcast Nov 29, 2021 • 47m 39. Stephen Gates from WW: Culture, design methodology, and design system ROIDesign Systems Podcast Nov 15, 2021 • 1h 1m 38. Gina Calcaterra Bhawalkar from Forrester: Lorem ipsum won’t help your design systemDesign Systems Podcast Nov 2, 2021 • 39m 37. Josh Cusick from Microsoft: Imagining design system utopiaDesign Systems Podcast Oct 29, 2021 • 23m 36. Deep Dive: Design System ROI with Robin Cannon from IBM iX and Danny Phillips from ProcoreDesign Systems Podcast Sep 21, 2021 • 1h 12m 35. Leonardo De La Rocha from Intuit: Using one design system to manage dozens of productsDesign Systems Podcast Jul 2, 2021 • 25m 34. Audrey Tan from Xero: Creating a long-lasting design system visionDesign Systems Podcast Jun 21, 2021 • 31m 33. Jess Clark from LinkedIn: Old tech, new techDesign Systems Podcast Jun 7, 2021 • 44m 32. Deep dive on tokens with Adam Argyle from Google: How do you codify composition?Design Systems Podcast May 17, 2021 • 2h 1m 31. Maya Hampton from REI: Pattern-based thinking on all levelsDesign Systems Podcast May 3, 2021 • 44m 30. Jehad Affoneh from Splunk and Scott Mathis from VMware: Schrodinger's tokens, open-source, and componentsDesign Systems Podcast Apr 12, 2021 • 41m 29. Dave Calleja from Isobar: How agencies build design systemsDesign Systems Podcast Mar 29, 2021 • 37m 28. Matthew Ström from SimpleHealth: Using design tokens to standardize deliverablesDesign Systems Podcast Mar 15, 2021 • 36m 27. Jennie Yip from Atlassian: Storytelling to drive design system successDesign Systems Podcast Feb 2, 2021 • 36m 26. Avery Oldt from Blermph: Embracing intentionality and creating trustDesign Systems Podcast Jan 19, 2021 • 43m 25. Eric Lobdell from Facebook: Anticipating deviation to drive adoption and contributionDesign Systems Podcast Jan 5, 2021 • 36m 24. Nick Cochran from ExxonMobil: How to make doing the right thing the easy thingDesign Systems Podcast Dec 15, 2020 • 38m 23. Vidya Nayak from SoFi: Leading design systems across teamsDesign Systems Podcast Nov 25, 2020 • 31m 22. Demian Borba from Adobe: Understanding and harnessing the power of design tokensDesign Systems Podcast Nov 3, 2020 • 38m 21. Jina Anne from Clarity: A design system origin storyDesign Systems Podcast Oct 21, 2020 • 42m 20. Rick Rodriguez from Walmart Labs: Creating design systems that scaleDesign Systems Podcast Sep 29, 2020 • 41m 19. Morgane Peng from Societe Generale: The right level of complexity for the right peopleDesign Systems Podcast Sep 1, 2020 • 38m 18. Jason Lengstorf from Netlify: Failure, finding your way, and helping others adopt a new way of workingDesign Systems Podcast Aug 19, 2020 • 43m 17. Varun Vachar from Rangle: The design graph and computational designDesign Systems Podcast Aug 6, 2020 • 28m 16. Adam Argyle from Google: Making your design system freeing vs. constrainingDesign Systems Podcast Jul 8, 2020 • 57m 15. Stephen Gates: What are you doing about the people and trust aspects of your design system?Design Systems Podcast Jun 23, 2020 • 35m 14. Mina Markham: Building shared culture and better collaboration between designers and developersDesign Systems Podcast Jun 11, 2020 • 33m 13. Micah Godbolt: Design and code meeting in the middle with Fluent UI at MicrosoftDesign Systems Podcast May 20, 2020 • 30m 12. Ethan Marcotte: Design systems and the evolution of how we workDesign Systems Podcast May 11, 2020 • 34m 11. Brad Frost and Evan Lovely: Code is the source of truthDesign Systems Podcast Apr 20, 2020 • 44m 10. Jeremy Keith: Overcoming entropy and turning chaos into orderDesign Systems Podcast Apr 2, 2020 • 46m 9. Charles Hall: Accessibility is good for your products and great for your businessDesign Systems Podcast Mar 25, 2020 • 36m 8. Salem Ghoweri: Bolt Design System and front-end architectsDesign Systems Podcast Mar 5, 2020 • 34m 7. Skip Newberry: Technology and design in governmentDesign Systems Podcast Feb 21, 2020 • 31m 6. Marco Suárez: Buying into design systemsDesign Systems Podcast Feb 6, 2020 • 37m 5. Tatiana Mac: Design and inclusivityDesign Systems Podcast Jan 17, 2020 • 33m 4. Dan Mall: How do design systems work in enterprise organizations?Design Systems Podcast Jan 2, 2020 • 37m 3. Emily Campbell: Design and code convergenceDesign Systems Podcast Dec 18, 2019 • 37m 2. Nam Ho: Design systems and project managementDesign Systems Podcast Dec 17, 2019 • 25m 1. Evan Lovely: What are design systems?Design Systems Podcast Dec 9, 2019 • 24m