29. Dave Calleja from Isobar: How agencies build design systems

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Dave Calleja and Chris discuss getting clients to sign off on design systems, strategies for getting executive buy-in, and the role of designer as evangelist.

_Guest:

_Dave Calleja is Head of Design at Isobar. He’s been working in digital and UX for over 15 years, from tiny teams to federal government projects. At Isobar he’s pursuing a strong passion for developing insight-aware, hypothesis-led experimentation cultures to empower experience-led transformation. You can find Dave at davecalleja.net, on Twitter as @davecalleja, and on LinkedIn.

_Host:

_Chris Strahl is co-founder and CEO of Knapsack, host of @TheDSPod, DnD DM, and occasional river guide. You can find Chris on Twitter as @chrisstrahl and on LinkedIn.

_Sponsor:

_Knapsack: design once, build once, use everywhere. Knapsack is a design system platform rooted in code for shipping consistent apps in half the time. Learn more at knapsack.cloud.

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